Stories I’m not writing (that aren’t even half as scary as the summaries collected by [livejournal.com profile] svmadelyn here):

1. The Asimovesque shaggy-dog story (think “The Foys of Sortibrackenstrete,” if I spelled that right) about attempted hybridization of alien and earth animals with the punchline, “She’s all cat and no Hattle.”

2. The smokin’ hot Weir/Lorne story set after “Let That Be Your Last Goodbye” (oh come on, you were all thinking it!) where Lorne comes to Weir and is all, So, that alien woman person had all your knowledge and her own mad warrior skills, hunh? That was really impressive how she managed to take out me and my men using an unfamiliar body. And Weir’s like, Actually, that was me too. After my life was threatened for the third time, I started taking martial arts lessons from anyone who’d teach me. Right now I have a regular session with Caldwell. Lorne (SEES RED): ... I could teach you too. Naturally, there is sexual tension and ultimately some sweaty gym-room action – oh, and together they save Atlantis from yet another set of dangerous but ultimately stupid bad guys whose arrival interrupts the flirtation that’s about to lead them to have sex the first time -- but Lorne calls her ma’am the whole time. After sex, Weir suggests that he could stop, but he tells her that’s part of the attraction.

3. The sequel to the second of my “Five Things” SV story, in which Clark is instead Mary, the last daughter of Krypton, and Lex is so angry at Mary’s lies that they have vicious (and extended!) sex that still TOUCHES LEX’S SOUL. And because it’s okay for a 22-year-old man to fuck a 16-year-old girl but not a 16-year-old boy, social conventions don’t keep them apart and they live happily ever after. Thus did homophobia make Lex evil.

4. The sequel to Iolokus that’s a redo of Face/Off with Mulder and Krycek. It’s fifteen years later, Miranda is rebellious jailbait, as is Bram (the boy twin), Scully is (still) resentful, and Mulder does an extra-sekrit ditch – now with facelift! Krycek takes Mulder’s face in return, gives Scully the ride of her life, and starts seducing the kids. (I am not making this up. [livejournal.com profile] mustangsally78 and I spent hours plotting this. I own a copy of Face/Off for research purposes. In our defense, I don’t think the final shootout was going to feature doves. Stabbing, but not doves. If you ever wondered how seriously we took the whole thing by the time we got to Syadiloh and that name didn't satisfy your curiousity, this should.)
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From: [personal profile] lanalucy


I think I might pay good money to read #4. That sounds so bad. lol

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


Oh, me too. I'm just not prepared to supply it. I'd rather beg -- er, petition -- others.
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From: [identity profile] coffeeandink.livejournal.com


That "e" in the subject line is a typo, right?

Signed,

SCARRED for life. (Also scared.)
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From: [identity profile] coffeeandink.livejournal.com


#4.

The Smallville one seemed perfectly reasonable to me, but then I don't watch the show and may have a defective sense of humor.

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


My position is always that you should take your story and commit to it fully. That's why I like cliche-fic done well so much -- the author doesn't just have to like the cliche, she has to make it dance for her pleasure, make it specific yet entirely of its type. If I wrote any of these I would want to take them seriously on their own terms.

The thing I like about the SV one is that you can read the lesson of the alternative world as "homophobia made Lex evil" but you can also just as easily read it as "perverted desire for men made Lex evil," always assuming that Clark's sexuality is responsible for Lex's bad choices.

From: [identity profile] shiba-inu.livejournal.com


Please don't do #4. I'm begging you. My heart won't take it.
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From: [personal profile] cofax7


No. 4? Oh, brilliant.

And I think I missed where you were getting into SGA. "What if they made a fandom and everyone came?" Indeed.

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


I'm not getting into SGA in the sense of writing it, though I suppose I'd better append "yet" to prevent embarrassment. I've watched all along, but not felt moved to commit fic. My secret desires are mostly het (Teyla/Bates, Weir/Lorne, Teyla/any team member, really), though I will happily read high quality Sheppard/McKay.

From: [identity profile] ladyagnew.livejournal.com


*cough* Teyla/Bates would be nice. I've had a hankering for that since shalott's "Transcendental", though it might be problematic as I don't know if he's even on the show anymore. They never mention him after he got beat up by the Wraith, and he's probably been shipped back to Earth on the Daedalus.

From: [identity profile] timesink.livejournal.com


#4? Does that have, like, a happy ending? Cause, like, I don't know if I can read it if I don't know it'll turn out okay. Mulder and Scully still lurve each other, right? Cause, like, if they hate each other or like kiss other people I don't know if I could read it. Could you please tell me the whole plot so I know if I can read it? Because it sounds kind of scary, and I need someone to hold my hand while I read it.

And I'm glad there won't be doves, because like they're so pretty and I hate to see animals die.

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


Wha -- hunh? People think Iolokus is scary? There's an Iolokus icon?

Why does no one tell me these things? (See icon.)
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From: [personal profile] snacky


Hi, um, you don't know me, but [livejournal.com profile] cofax7 referred me here, because she knows I laugh and laugh at the people who need a support group to read Iolokus. Which is true. They do. They make email and AIM groups, and have people talk them through the "really hard parts". And without fail, people tell them they should read Syadiloh first so they know it will be okay in the end, and to ABSOLUTELY NOT NEVER EVER read Tikkun Olam under any circumstances.

Also, the sequel? I'd totally have read that. :-D

P.S. I did love Iolokus. And your other fics. I sent you feedback in the distant past, under another name, but it never hurts to say it again.

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


Great icon.

That's probably good advice about Tikkun Olam, as you describe the relevant audience.

And I swear we'd totally have written that sequel, if the show hadn't driven us away screaming in agony.

I'm glad you liked the stories!

From: [identity profile] lenadances.livejournal.com


::dies laughing::

Oh, my God, some people are such complete wusses.

Also, that icon, in this context, is cracking me up to no end.

(And I loved Iolokus, too. I would completely and totally read the sequel, but right now I'm not sure how much of my opinion on that is due to the vengeful feelings I have toward the show.)

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com

Talking about vengeance


You know, over the last few years I've come to a sort of acceptance, as the ashes of the white-hot fire of my rage first cooled and then blew away, leaving only a burnt mark on my soul. I watched the first eight seasons this summer, and it was okay. I still have issues with trust, but I think that's part of growing up -- I try not to expect too much from my shows these days.

From: [identity profile] iwondery.livejournal.com

Re: Talking about vengeance


Uh, yeah. Amen. I suppose that's why I've found myself watching 24. I can look at this one and laugh. It doesn't hurt.

And as for the sequel to Iolokus, I have no money at all, but I'd wash your windows to read that puppy.

Be well, RT.

Marlene

From: [identity profile] sharinlilbit.livejournal.com


Okay, I know it's nearly eight months later and you've probably long forgotten about this post, but for your amusement, here's the Iolokus icon of which [livejournal.com profile] timesink speaks. Not that it specifically references Iolokus -- [livejournal.com profile] infinitemonkeys just made it for me after I went into another fit over the umpteenth thread at the Haven asking "Will someone hold my hand if I try Iolokus?"

And for the record, I'd eat #4 up with a giant spoon. (BTW, I'm the former Scullysfan. Er, not that I don't like Scully anymore. I just don't call myself that. 'Cause sharinlilbit is SO much cooler. Yeah.)

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


Heh. It would be funny if a story could make you smell, though. (I suppose it's thoughts like that that make me a scary writer.)

I don't think we ever started writing #4, but we did spend many pleasant hours discussing it. We couldn't agree on whether Krycek would be more attracted to Bram or Miranda, though. Cordelia was going to be suspicious all along.


From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


Well ... do you mean kiss other people on the mouth? Because I'm willing to promise "no" on that one.

From: [identity profile] timesink.livejournal.com


Wait! You mean ... people kiss other places than the mouth??? Why would they do that? Ew!!! I'm traumatized! I knew I shouldn't have tried to think about reading this! Butt sex scares me! :::weeps piteously::


From: [identity profile] ladyagnew.livejournal.com


oh they don't die in the movie. As well as I can remember, they flutter away in slo-mo in a church scene with a Mexican stand-off happening between the principal characters all holding guns to each other, and it's all very "artistic" and dramatic and John Woo-ish, which is as it should be because he has a fetish for Christian symbolism and doves fluttering in the air. If you don't believe me, watch his other Hong Kong movies.

I have nothing else to contribute except that I'd read any of these cracked-out stories, but especially the SV one; actually, it would kill me if you started writing SGA and it was het. I don't know -- I think I'm confused.

Oh whatever, I'd get over it. Just write!

From: [identity profile] meret.livejournal.com


Easy, Rivka. Nice, Rivka. *backing away slowly* ;)

From: [identity profile] jack-pride.livejournal.com


I have a theory about Clark and Lex and them being either lovers or enemies. When the story of Superman was first written, a gazillion years ago (I'm so precise about my queer history), societal attitudes about homosexuality were such that both boys repressed what should have been love, instead twisting it so that they could still focus their lives on the other - as enemies.

Due to the progress of American culture today, the boys can now make a different choice. A better, pornier choice. :)

From: [identity profile] raincitygirl.livejournal.com


3. The sequel to the second of my “Five Things” SV story, in which Clark is instead Mary, the last daughter of Krypton, and Lex is so angry at Mary’s lies that they have vicious (and extended!) sex that still TOUCHES LEX’S SOUL. And because it’s okay for a 22-year-old man to fuck a 16-year-old girl but not a 16-year-old boy, social conventions don’t keep them apart and they live happily ever after. Thus did homophobia make Lex evil.

Er, was I the only reader who was way *more* freaked out by the idea of 22-year-old Lex fucking 16-year-old Mary than 16-year-old Clark? Which is kind of stupid, in part because 16-year-old girls are usually more emotionally mature than boys their own age, but I still get all kinds of mental red flags along the lines of "Guys who've finished college should NOT be hanging around girls in high school!"

Maybe it's partly because when I read a Clark/Lex story, I'm mentally picturing Tom Welling as Clark, and it was blatantly obvious from the first episode that the actor was well into his 20's. So even though I know the character is supposed to be a sheltered young high school kid, he doesn't look nearly young enough for the warning bells to be ringing (he has five o'clock shadow, for crying out loud). Whereas, since we don't have a mental picture of Mary (owing to the fact that she doesn't exist), I was sort of vaguely picturing a generic 16-year-old girl,a nd of course I was thinking of girls who actually are 16, as opposed to being (and looking) 25 and playing 16 on TV.

Plus, given that women are generally a fair bit smaller than men, there's the whole physical issue where on a purely practical level, it's probably easier for a man to force a woman to do something than another man. Which doesn't really apply in the case of the Last Daughter of Krypton, because even if she were shorter and slighter than Lex, she could still kick his ass without breaking a sweat. But she wouldn't *look* like she could. I'd probably have had a much more negative reaction to the Clark/Lex relationship if Lex had been noticeably taller and more powerfully built than Clark. Which is a purely visual shorthand.

But you do have a good point that in the real world, Lex going after a 16 year old girl would probably be considered far more leniently by society in general than going after a 16 year old boy. But the story still gives me the heebie-jeebies of "That is totally inappropriate behaviour, and if she were my daughter she'd be headed to a convent, and the man in question would lose certain body parts to a pair of secaturs!" Possibly it's just as well that i don't have kids.

So, in other words, I'm fairly glad you're not writing such a sequel. a) because there have been many well-written Clex stories with happy endings which don't get rid of the whole two penises dynamic; and b) because the story made me uncomfortable in a way that all the Clark/Lex underage sex in fanfic doesn't.

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


You've articulated exactly what I love about the "Mary" premise -- by returning us to our default heterosexual assumptions, it brings out the skeeviness of the idea that Lex needs Clark to save him. At the same time, the social consequences in Kansas of Lex having sex with Mary would be so much lighter that he could legitimately make a play for her, early on in their acquaintance. I like that the comparison of Clark/Lex to Mary/Lex (the scenario in which Lex's soul is saved) can be read as Lex's homosexual desires corrupting him *or* as homophobia interfering with what would have been an otherwise good relationship.
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