Hancock: Maybe I’m reading the wrong reviews, but am I the only one who thinks that much of the force of the film’s alleged revision of superhero tropes is that Will Smith is black? I’m fascinated by how casting a black man in itself changes how various other story elements work--Supreme Power did something much darker with the Batman character, and now even more I want to see the Supreme Power-style take on Superman, because the film pulled a lot of punches.

Nonetheless, there was enough there to intrigue me. The idea that superpowered Hancock doesn’t fit in among normal humans and this makes him lonely is standard, but he doesn’t ever try to pass as a normal human. That’s pretty unusual for a superhero narrative. And in superhero movies, the public usually loves the superheroes unless and until they’re manipulated to judge them unfairly. How much of the fact that most people apparently refused to give Hancock the benefit of the doubt until he secured himself a PR rep has to do with racial discomfort? Yes, he’s a jerk—but why is he a jerk? His origin story, tied to the jerkishness, is a hate crime. I can’t remember seeing that before for a male superhero (again, except for Supreme Power).

The mythology didn’t make any sense, and the gender politics were terrible. And yet I’ve rarely if ever wanted conduit-fic more. Ray has to keep meeting John for business purposes, and Mary (as good a name as any) knows what she’s seeing, which is unresolved sexual tension. After a while she tells Ray to go for it, just to come back to her. Eventually Ray figures out that she means come back right after, which is possible because of superspeed drop-offs and pick-ups, and so Ray has a lot of double-headers.

Um, right. I’ll be over there, hiding my shame.
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From: [identity profile] shartyrant.livejournal.com


I was wanting to see this movie going by the trailers, but now I am hesitant. I was hoping for a surpreme power story type with maybe some comedy moments (it's will smith! so you expect it!). I loved JMS's Supreme Powers as I thought it was more accurate of what would happen in real life with super powered people. OH well. Trying to debate on seeing this or Wanted.

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


Will Smith has a lot of charm; you just can't let yourself ask how the power mythology described works, because it falls apart on even casual inspection. I would have loved a Supreme Power version; I seized on scraps like LA not being very happy about the destruction caused by regular superhero fights. I will probably see Wanted next, if I can swing it.

From: [identity profile] fragilistikal.livejournal.com


Hancock gives Ray a HEART. On the frigging MOON.

I don't think a lot of extrapolation is needed. *g*

From: [identity profile] ithiliana.livejournal.com


I expect gender politics to suck (it's superhero! genre), but we also want to go see it based on three things: One: we love Will Smith, adore him madly. Two: the previews imply some undercutting of superhero conventions...*Three*....because a black man is cast as a superhero while incorporating some of the stereotypical elements of racist characterization of black men (homeless?)......

I don't know anything about Supreme Power--but the previews for Hancock caught our eye immediately.

And the reviews aren't even dealing with what was apparently (to us) so very very very very very clear in the previews??????????????

(Will Smith appearing on Colbert was to DIE for, too, btw! TO DIE FOR).
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From: [personal profile] astolat


I'm with you on all of it, and I ALSO want threesome fic where they live on a remote caribbean island, and John and Mary take turns going off to be super-powered heroes (because sorry, I am ridiculously pissed off that Mary sits around being a suburban mom while John is a hero, even if a jerky one) and coming back to Ray, who runs the PR campaign from home. <3

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


Yes, that was tremendously awful, wasn't it? I want it fixed, and now.

From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com


I saved this to read after I saw the movie, and I find all your points cogent and interesting, but I have nothing to add except:

And yet I’ve rarely if ever wanted conduit-fic more. Ray has to keep meeting John for business purposes, and Mary (as good a name as any) knows what she’s seeing, which is unresolved sexual tension. After a while she tells Ray to go for it, just to come back to her. Eventually Ray figures out that she means come back right after, which is possible because of superspeed drop-offs and pick-ups, and so Ray has a lot of double-headers.

Um, yes please. :)

(PS Mary, now that Hancock knows where you are and knows to avoid you, could you pick up the slack and become LA's heroine, please? I could see why you were laying low before, but now you really ought to get your superpowered rear in gear.)

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


Resonant has a Ray/Hancock story here (http://resonant8.livejournal.com/178331.html?format=light&style=mine), but I have yet to hear of conduitfic. I feel a Yuletide request coming on.

And absolutely Mary needs to step up now. She does have a family that's vulnerable, so there is a secret identity issue, but if you're invulnerable, surely you can keep a mask on?
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