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cryptoxin's post, among others: No doubt where you stand on Recent LJ Events depends in part on where you sit. Here's where I sit: I don't consider myself a member of HP fandom, but my primary fandom for the last few years has been Smallville.
Here are some pictures of people the narrative told us were 15:
That's the poster advertising the show, plastered everywhere in public in mid-2001. Then there's the episode "Nicodemus":
So we're supposed to desire them -- bluntly, we're supposed to fantasize about fucking them -- but we're not supposted to say that. And we're not supposed to share our fantasies, because that would be sick. Contradictory and hypocritical are words you could use about mainstream depictions of adolescent sexuality -- which is not to accuse anyone in this debate, but to point out that the American social context is, at best, confusing. And to say that I'm basically withcoffeeandink; one of the things I want from fandom as a community of women is the ability to say, "hey, that emperor [or in this case, kid] isn't wearing any clothes!"
NYU law professor Amy Adler wrote a very interesting piece, The Perverse Law of Child Pornography, available here, arguing that our cultural and legal discourses about child porn contribute to the further sexualization of children. I recommend it to those interested in the theoretical side of all this.
cryptoxin's post, among others: No doubt where you stand on Recent LJ Events depends in part on where you sit. Here's where I sit: I don't consider myself a member of HP fandom, but my primary fandom for the last few years has been Smallville.Here are some pictures of people the narrative told us were 15:
That's the poster advertising the show, plastered everywhere in public in mid-2001. Then there's the episode "Nicodemus":So we're supposed to desire them -- bluntly, we're supposed to fantasize about fucking them -- but we're not supposted to say that. And we're not supposed to share our fantasies, because that would be sick. Contradictory and hypocritical are words you could use about mainstream depictions of adolescent sexuality -- which is not to accuse anyone in this debate, but to point out that the American social context is, at best, confusing. And to say that I'm basically with
coffeeandink; one of the things I want from fandom as a community of women is the ability to say, "hey, that emperor [or in this case, kid] isn't wearing any clothes!"NYU law professor Amy Adler wrote a very interesting piece, The Perverse Law of Child Pornography, available here, arguing that our cultural and legal discourses about child porn contribute to the further sexualization of children. I recommend it to those interested in the theoretical side of all this.
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I think the issue with the HP is that a lot of people do associate it with children who really do look and act their age, which is quite rare these days as usually it's actors in their early 20's to play teens. The HP actors were seen growing up with the parts. Plus the films are more directly aimed at young children as well, so people probably find it creepier to see them sexualised and in explicit drawings with a schoolteacher. Whereas with Clex from SV, or with QAF, it's not seen as reading so much as reading things into the text that isn't there. Even if people don't see the Clex on SV at all, the gut response isn't that those characters are just kids, why on earth do you want to fantasize about them for, because, like you say, TW so clearly wasn't 15.