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([personal profile] rivkat Dec. 30th, 2005 08:08 pm)
Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] ter369's link to the top ten blog posts of the year, I found a post about intelligent design that made me laugh out loud, and a post about what being poor is like in the US that made me cry. The latter gets particularly potent in the comments, in which it becomes clear that the post is an inkblot: What you think about poverty (or poor people) affects how you interpret a list of statements of the form "being poor means [doing or foregoing X]." Some see liberal condescension; others a cry for political reform, aka class warfare. My own reaction is that class warfare seems perfectly justified given the conditions described, but the post itself is descriptive, not normative. I really liked the clear articulation of this basic point: being poor means not being insulated from the consequences of bad luck and/or bad decisions, because there is no margin for error.

By contrast, being rich means that I can miss a credit card payment by accident and just curse my stupidity and pay the $100-odd in fees and penalties, without entering into a debt spiral; it means that my car insurance paid for a loaner car when my car was rear-ended, so I can get to work; it means that I can stock up on diapers by buying in bulk and pay a lot less per diaper than I would in a drugstore; it means I can send my child to a school that will give him lots of advantages, which he'll need in a country that increasingly abandons everyone to their own devices.

From: [identity profile] ter369.livejournal.com


... and a post about what being poor is like in the US that made me cry.

The Scalzi post, right?

That hit home with many readers.

In spite of my supposed middle-class background and appearance, I realized I was poor during the majority of my office-working years, when I could never buy even tuna in bulk, nor take advantage of a sale price unless I needed the item that week (before the next paycheck).

Most of my new neighbors are from Louisiana and Missouri. The buses stop in front of our apartment complex more often, as more people are using that line. I recall living in LA without a car, where nothing is organized around public transit. Grocery stores are a hike away from the lines, major entertainment centers aren't accessible by bus, and even in the suburbs there's a slight danger in taking the bus because you're seen as an easy target.


... it means I can send my child to a school that will give him lots of advantages, which he'll need in a country that increasingly abandons everyone to their own devices.

This reminds me. I should tell my investment guru to not factor in Social Security benefits to my future plans in a test model, just to see what I need to prepare for.


From: [identity profile] anitac588.livejournal.com


Thank you for the links on those interesting posts - and for the top blog list! Very interesting.

From: [identity profile] anitac588.livejournal.com


I reread this being poor in us post. Many of the things apply being poor anywhere in the developed world.
This one is the one that shook me the most:
Being poor is having to live with choices you didn't know you made when you were 14 years old. That is something that scares me. I've been so lucky, I see that now, how slim is the line between smart and not so smart options.

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


Yes -- that's one of the things that he said so clearly and simply that it should be mandatory reading for everyone before voting. So many bad choices are made so early on, and it's poverty that makes those choices stick; nonpoor kids have better choices and more chances to recover from making bad ones.

From: [identity profile] ladyagnew.livejournal.com


The "being poor" blogpost reminded of a book I read years ago for a sociology class, Making Ends Meet: How Single Mothers Survive Welfare and Low-Wage Work (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/087154234X/qid=1136065907/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-4734323-5175341?n=507846&s=books&v=glance). The thing that came through the most for me was how precarious survival was: one small bit of bad luck (illness, an accident, a missed credit card bill: all things more likely to happen when you're poor) can send your life on an unstoppable spiral. Everything has a heavy consequence, is what came through the most. Or how some of the moms pay for cable and video game systems out of their welfare checks and survive on Pepsi and cigarettes in order to keep their kids inside the home and away from the fucked-up dangers outside. It's not just frivolous entertainment but a way to keep their kids from stepping outside the house and getting killed.

Being middle class means you get to choose to pinch pennies, and choose when to indulge and be able to afford mistakes. Maybe not catastrophic ones, but those accidents and patches of bad luck that befall everyone. Which make articles such as this (http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050829fa_fact) insanely frustrating. You know, universal health care would be a bad thing because then it would take away the incentive for people to make enough money to afford it...

And the intelligent design debate is wondrously amusing, except for when it's not. There's this great New Yorker article on the recent trial which was definitely on the amusing side that I can't find online. It kinda gave me a crush on the presiding judge, just a little.

From: [identity profile] postcardsfrom.livejournal.com


Not poor is definitely better. When I was young and without money (I don't count this as real poverty because I had a future and no kids to worry about), choosing the cheapest was second nature. Over time, habits of "just paying the fees" have accrued. It's scary that you can't go back -- that would be much worse than never having left. Despite our consumerism, all of us except the richest in this country may ultimately find ourselves with many fewer choices -- and which costs more, Wonderbread white or Wonderbread whole wheat?

From: [identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com


Yes, the post really made me think about all the conveniences I take for granted. But the flip side of "just paying the fees" is that there are lots of fees I don't pay -- I save money by having a bank account, by buying in bulk when things are on sale, by shopping at a big grocery store instead of the local convenience store, etc.

From: (Anonymous)


Yes. Not to mention the savings that accrue to us because we have had the opportunity not to be ignorant. Ignorance is costly on a personal and a societal level. I've always taken my education for granted too. But if I hadn't been given it, I wouldn't be the smartie I am today. There's such a thing as native smarts, of course, but I'll never know how much of my smarts were always there, and how much grafted on (you don't have to let me take this thread into nature and nurture -- I understand if you don't want to go there!). Happy New Year, by the way.

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The above is from postcardsfrom. As usual I forgot to login. See why I have doubts?
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