Interesting! I heard him agreeing with Shaw in the sense of "you made me a strong monster," not him agreeing with Shaw's goals of wiping out humans just yet, and likewise I thought "we are the better men" was "we haven't tried to kill anyone for what they are instead of what they've done." Paranoia yes--though objectively fairly well justified paranoia--but superiority no, except insofar as it is superior not to have committed genocide.
And I think we're talking about the same stuff Abigail Nussbaum saw, and she's more on your side--because what is a victim supposed to do, in this narrative? Is it monstrous not to forgive? I haven't seen anyone worrying about him killing the Nazis; I think Charles was right, for the wrong reasons, that he shouldn't have tried to kill the Soviets and Americans--a show of ability to harm combined with an offer to negotiate would have been much smarter--but I don't think it's monstrous to shoot the same weapons that were shot at you first back at the people who shot them. Where should Magneto have stopped, and isn't Xavier naive at best to think that he shouldn't have started? (Xavier implicitly decided that killing Shaw was better than the alternative when he failed to release Shaw from his control so that Magneto could kill him.)
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Date: 2011-06-10 04:44 am (UTC)And I think we're talking about the same stuff Abigail Nussbaum saw, and she's more on your side--because what is a victim supposed to do, in this narrative? Is it monstrous not to forgive? I haven't seen anyone worrying about him killing the Nazis; I think Charles was right, for the wrong reasons, that he shouldn't have tried to kill the Soviets and Americans--a show of ability to harm combined with an offer to negotiate would have been much smarter--but I don't think it's monstrous to shoot the same weapons that were shot at you first back at the people who shot them. Where should Magneto have stopped, and isn't Xavier naive at best to think that he shouldn't have started? (Xavier implicitly decided that killing Shaw was better than the alternative when he failed to release Shaw from his control so that Magneto could kill him.)