Belated TV notes

[rivkat]

Memo to Dean (and his backup singers): I’m your girl, but I don’t care if you can’t do this. I care if you can’t do this alone. Like many people whose reactions I’ve seen, I would have swooned over this episode if Dean had explicitly gotten up to go find Sam, or, you know, mentioned him to the archangel. I am also, however, totally willing to buy this as explicit angelic strategy, separating Dean from Sam so that Dean will be ready to kill Sam in order to keep the last seal from breaking, just as Ruby has separated Sam from Dean so that Sam will be deprived of a steadying influence. (I expect and require Dean to say no to the “kill Sam” thing, but I’m willing to let him get pretty close.) So I find the episode really engaging, it just didn't do enough to satisfy the Sam&Deanness that I need fed by the end of the season.

Young John Connor = young Sam Winchester in the AU where only Mary and Sam survived, no?

Comments

[grand-sophy.livejournal.com]

I've been greatly entertaining myself imagining Dean's exit from his office, rampaging through the building terrifying (and exciting) his co-workers, demanding to know where his brother, his car, and a cheeseburger are, in that order.

[rivkat.livejournal.com]

Hee, yes indeed! But why couldn't they have filmed it? So sad.

[percysowner.livejournal.com]

(I expect and require Dean to say no to the “kill Sam” thing, but I’m willing to let him get pretty close.)

I hope you are right, but I'm not that confident that you are. I think the angels are manipulating Dean enough that he may be willing to try and kill
Sam. He may fail, but I think he could try. I'm concerned because all the season they have been reversing the roles that Sam and Dean play. One of fandom's complaints has been that Sam is proud and arrogant (I actually don't agree, but it is out there). Now Dean has been told that he is needs to be the savior of the world and Sam is getting told by Dean and angels alike that he is dangerous and may need to be hunted and killed. If Sam takes on Dean's self-esteem issues and Dean is talked into believing that he no longer knows Sam, I see bad things ahead. The ultimate ending for this season would be Dean killing Sam, or sending him to Hell alive, then realizing that it was all unnecessary, Sam was innocent and this was just the most expeditious way to stop Lucifer.

[deadlychameleon.livejournal.com]

separating Dean from Sam so that Dean will be ready to kill Sam in order to keep the last seal from breaking,

It occurs to me that this has happened before. Dean was almost ready to kill a man to stop the contaigon in Croatoan from spreading, but then he didn't, because Sam stopped him. And then he couldn't kill Sam, even though Sam might have been about to go Evil and try to kill everyone. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Repeating thematic elements, or this storyline has happened before, and this storyline will happen again?

[rivkat.livejournal.com]

Well, Sam uber alles has always been Dean's defining feature, so I think this season's assault on that fundamental part of Dean's existence is really interesting and I want it to get pretty far. But he'd better snap back at the end, no matter what all the angels tell him.

[rivkat.livejournal.com]

I refuse to believe it! But I do want to get close enough to worry that Dean might say yes.